I recently found this quote by Benjamin Franklin which shows incredible wisdom for it's time and for today. As entitlement programs continue to increase the national debt, which the people must pay through taxation for the most part, I see little improvement in the number of the so-called poor. I say so-called because there are very few people in the USA that can be called poor by the standards of the rest of the world. Here, we all have food, shelter, clothing, tv's, computers, cell phones, air conditioning/heating, multiple bathrooms per residence and much more, no matter where we fall on the economic scale. The difference between our poor and rich is simply one of quality: the rich have better cars, houses, clothing, etc. I can't help but think that the welfare state does more damage than good, on all fronts. He seemed ahead of his time on this point: "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." Benjamin Franklin - On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor (29 November 1766) So, my question to the forum is: What would the Founders think of our Welfare State? Does anyone know any other quotes from the Founders on the issue of Federal subsidies for the poor? Which Founder would have approved the most of the Social Welfare Programs we have in place?