Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by Colonel Klink, Apr 17, 2009.
What weapon would you choose.? I would use a Russian Mosin Nagant in M38 or M44 carbine.
Well, an A-Bomb would be pretty decisive.
But as I cannot see myself a a foot slogger I would have loved to have flown the Beaufighter
Anything German or German made would be the best bet!
"Horses for courses" of course, however...........
In the Jungle - An Owen Gun (SMG) or a Bren.
In "open" country the best battle rifle for me - No. 4 Mk.1 Lee Enfield rifle in .303. Over 100 years of effective use.
I own a M44 carbine... They are a reliable gun that is built like a tank... The recoil is pretty bad though. P.S The M44 carbine is russian.
What the? How old are you? You own you're owm milletary gun? cool!
I am 12.
And you own three horses and a millirary gun aswell and you're only 12! I need too get out more.
very impressive stuff.
Heidi, here is some info on the M44 crabineThe Model 1944 Carbine There is alot of info in this link.
Owen Gun; Not for me just not enough hitting power which begs to ask, during WW2 in the Jungles of PNG it has often been said that the Owen was amongst the best, though in Korea it is said that the 9mm rounds bounced of Chinese winter uniforms and it is the men firing them that have said this, see Aussie Korean war site at
http://www.kmike.com/oz./ Malaya Viet Nam it was regarded as not having enough hitting power to kill even at close range.
It was obviously the mechanisims that prevented it from jamming even in the worst conditions that made it's name in Jungles of WW2.
For me it would be a Bren (maybe with the round mag used on AA Brens) and a LESM .303 with the 10 round mag. Or maybe a big bluddy panther tank. Alternative it could be a Spitfire and a late model Mustang,
I did preface the Owen Gun as a jungle weapon and would agree it was not a weapon for the Korean War. The Owen in the jungles of New Guinea etc saw all combatants with a minimum of clothing and very close quarter contact.
I would personally like to use my .44 magnum Winchester that I use for pig shooting. Problem with that is the reloading.
As said on another forum, depends what service you get called up to unless your clever and got in early...I'd probably knowing what my education background would have been in ww2, and the social strata I would and did hail from have found myself not at the controls of the Spitfire I wanted to be at, or indeed on the bridge of a flower class corvette battering waves and saying port 10...Midships...that would have been for others, so the chances of my even seeing front line service may have been slim or not I don't know, but based on family, I'd end up in navy on the small ships with only weapon a Lee Enfield 303 if all hands to bathing stations.. was ever called, but knowing the Atlantic and Arctic that probably wouldn't happen...
Bit if we have the choice...The Boyes anti tank rifle then I would know for sure I was correct in my arguements with others that it must have indeed been a waste of my energy carrying it around. So I'll settle for the Lee Enfield like many others...
I'd rather have the Tsetse :>
You mean Tsetse fly that lives in Africa?
There was a flying Tsetse in WW2. Had quite a bite.
M1 Garand for open country ... Urban, it would have to be the Russian PPSh-41 for rapid fire and a large clip. Somewhere in-between, a Sturmgewhr 44.
Yes Spidge I understand you were meaning the Jungles most likely PNG and its environs.
Mate I was not having a go at you or your choice of weapons,
In Korea esp after the line stabilised, the combat especially for Aussies was patrols in no man's land with other events happening from time to time.
The Owen was used up very close, I misquoted above when i wrote it bounced of the Chinese uniforms it is actually been said by the vets at the time that the 9mm bullets hit CCF forces winter uniform and only thing that happened was lots of feathers and other stuffing in their winter uniforms would fly everywhere, close quarters and good shooting, yet the CCF kept comming. Their is the slight possibility that the CCF who were hit in these examples may have been wearing captured vests under their winter tunics. Though imho it is a small possibility
I feel strongly that the Owen was a good weapon, most especially the firing mechanism etc which meant it rarely if ever jammed, which would of been perfect in the jungles of PNG etc. The USA had a WW2 order for several thousand Owens along with other Allie's.
I agree that in the jungles wearing thin Greens and with much up close quarters fighting, the 9mm bullets would do some damage,esp as they were often used by the scouts. Yet i can't but think that it was really under gunned and that much propaganda was sent out, as it was the main Infantry weapon designed & built by Australia in their attempt to offer some thing to the war, the AuSten was a very good weapon but was a mixture of the Sten and another foreign made weapon. So once they decided to build the Owen they had to support it and this was done. However many men who fought in the Islands would swear by them, however again IMHO the biggest thing going for the Owen Carbine was it's capability to keep operating where most other SMG would jam and go kaput.
In the Photo at bottom of my posts it is of my father and some other Aussies, my dad is at the far right with peack cap at ridiculus angle, if you look he is holding onto a owen carbine, also in another photo he can be seen carrying a owen, dad had excellent night vision same as me, so he was a point man on many many night patrols in no mans land. This was why he was belted with a butt of a CCF rifle and nearly bayoneted, because he was way forward on point.
It obviously worked well enough for him as he saw much close quater combat and came home alive,
Here is another thread we had here which supports your Korea piece.
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