Australians in the BoB

Discussion in 'World War 2' started by Kyt, Sep 16, 2007.

  1. Kyt

    Kyt Άρης

    There is some interesting information on the BoB site about the nationalities of those who participated, and who are entitled to wear the Clasp (which was limited to Fighter crews of specific squadrons). Due to the nature of the Empire and the Dominions, it seems to be a rather complicated, and contraversial, topic - even after nearly 70 years.

    One example is "who was Australian?":

    http://www.battleofbritain.net/0004.html
    (Document 18 - scroll to the end of the page for the new window - includes a fuller explanationon the BoB Clasp entitlement)
     
  2. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    Is there also a reverse anomaly here. When going through the RAAF deaths there were a large amount whose place of birth was Britain.
     
  3. Kyt

    Kyt Άρης

    Unfortunately, there are many anomolies that pertain to nationality, force joined and force served with. You highlight one such instance.

    Another one that I haven't been able to decipher yet is the designation of Indians who served and died in the RAF, and yet are categorised as being RIAF on CWGC. The numbers are very small in comparison to other nationalities but still annoying.
     
  4. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    Hi Kyt,

    Is this the same Richard Hillary of which you wrote in your first post?

    HILLARY, RICHARD HOPE
    Flight Lieutenant
    74677
    08/01/1943
    23
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    United Kingdom
    Panel 2.
    GOLDERS GREEN CREMATORIUM
     
  5. Antipodean Andy

    Antipodean Andy New Member

    Funny you should mention him, Geoff. I only realised he was Australian-born several days ago when transcribing the details of Mayers for you. I know that sounds ridiculous given he is one of the most well-known RAF pilots through his The Last Enemy but...

    I don't even have his book on my shelf, nor have I read it. No idea why not. Always assumed it'd always be available, I guess, so have concentrated on the rarer titles or more obsucre subjects.
     
  6. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    A query of Australians in the Battle of Britain

    Over the past couple of years I have seen many questions by different people requesting information on "Australians" in the Battle of Britain.

    The Battle of Britain Historical Society nominate 32.

    There are others who state 25.

    I have listed below all of these queries, even though I feel I could personally dismiss them due to date, area of death, squadron etc etc.

    Many are listed on the Australian Commemorative Roll which lists those Australians who died while with the RAF or other allied force.

    Some survived the war so I find them difficult to research.

    One is listed on the Australian Commemorative Roll as dying in 1940 however he is not on the CWGC site.

    This is the first on the list:

    BAYNE, David Walter Squadron Leader 26077 257sq 28/05/1963
    D W Bayne_P

    David Walterb: 17 Apr 1908r: 29 Aug 1955d: 11 Jun 1986
     
  7. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    BULL, NUGENT JOSEPH Sergeant 904181 149sq RAF 9/09/1940
    Bull, Joseph Nugent Palmer (1908 - 1940) Biographical Entry - Australian Dictionary of Biography Online

     
  8. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    CURTIS, AUBREY GLEN
    Flying Officer
    36160
    8sq RAF
    10/08/1940

    I do not have access here "yet"!

    Casualties Aug 1940This section covers RAF personnel killed between 1 - 10 August 1940. ...... CURTIS, AUBREY GLEN. Fg Off. He was killed whilst flying Blenheim I, ...
    www.rafweb.org/Members%20Pages/Casualties/1940/Casualties_1940_08_1.htm - 262k -
     
  9. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    EARL, RAYMOND PATRICK Pilot Officer 41770 61sq RAF 26/09/1940

    Commemorative Roll - Raymond Patrick Earl
    Raymond Patrick Earl

    Service number: 41770

    Rank: Pilot Officer

    Unit: No 61 Squadron

    Service: Royal Air Force

    Conflict: 1939-1945

    Date of death: 25 September 1940

    Cause of death: Killed in action

    Cemetery or memorial details: KVIBERG CEMETERY, Sweden. 4. A. 7.
     
  10. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    GARFOOT, ALLAN Flying Officer 40617 20sq RAF 30/09/1940
    In Memory of
    Flying Officer ALLAN GARFOOT

    40617, 20 Sqdn., Royal Air Force
    who died age 26
    on 30 September 1940
    Son of Ruby Elizabeth Honeyman, of Bondi, Sydney, Australia.
    Remembered with honour
    KARACHI WAR CEMETERY




    No further info
     
  11. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    HEWSON, John Minchin (DFC) Flight Lieutenant 39083 616sq RAF
    No further info!
     
  12. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    HORAN, JAMES HENRY Pilot Officer 41417 233sq RAF 31/07/1940
    Commemorative Roll - James Henry Horan
    James Henry Horan

    Service number: 41417

    Rank: Pilot Officer

    Unit: No 233 Squadron

    Service: Royal Air Force

    Conflict: 1939-1945

    Date of death: 31 July 1940

    Cause of death: Killed in action

    Cemetery or memorial details: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Surrey, United Kingdom. Panel 8

    In Memory of
    Pilot Officer JAMES HENRY HORAN

    41417, 233 Sqdn., Royal Air Force
    who died age 27
    on 31 July 1940
    Son of Thomas E. and Elizabeth Horan, of Kingsford, New South Wales, Australia.
    Remembered with honour
    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
     
  13. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    HORAN, A D Pilot Officer
    ??? 0/0/1940
    As previously described. Not much info yet on the Aust Comm Roll.

    Commemorative Roll - A D Horan
    A D Horan

    Rank: Pilot Officer

    Unit: Unknown unit

    Service: Royal Air Force

    Conflict: 1939-1945

    Date of death: 1940

    Cause of death: Missing
     
  14. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    LEACH, PHILIP ALLEN Pilot Officer 77944 38sq RAF 21/07/1940
    In Memory of
    Pilot Officer PHILIP ALLEN LEACH

    77944, 38 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    who died age 38
    on 21 July 1940
    Son of Henry Ernest and Agnes Jessie Leach, of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
    Remembered with honour
    MARHAM (HOLY TRINITY) CHURCHYARD
     
  15. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    MILLER, ROGERS FREEMAN GARLAND Pilot Officer 42419 609sq RAF 27/09/1940
    In Memory of
    Pilot Officer ROGERS FREEMAN GARLAND MILLER

    42419, 609 Sqdn., Royal Air Force
    who died age 20
    on 27 September 1940

    Remembered with honour
    RADFORD SEMELE (ST. NICHOLAS) CHURCHYARD

    In Memory of
    Pilot Officer JOHN GARLAND MILLER

    42865, 149 Sqdn., Royal Air Force
    who died age 23
    on 12 August 1940

    Remembered with honour
    RADFORD SEMELE (ST. NICHOLAS) CHURCHYARD




    27th September - we remember [Archive] - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums

    They seem to be both listed there and I do not have the second brother as his CWGC NOK did not mention Australia.

    Cemetery Reports



    There are 6 records in the database. In this category there are 3 records.

    A - C D - F G - I J - L M - O P - R S - V W - Z NoNameRankServiceRegimentDate Of DeathAgeGrave/Memorial Ref. 1 MILLER, JOHN GARLAND, J G Pilot Officer ( Pilot  ) 42865Royal Air Force12/08/1940 23 S.E. of church. 2 MILLER, ROGERS FREEMAN GARLAND, R F G Pilot Officer ( Pilot  ) 42419Royal Air Force27/09/1940 20 S.E. of church. 3 MUCKLOW, CHARLES, C Rifleman Y/1232King's Royal Rifle Corps15/07/1915 21 In South-East corner.

    Geoff.
     
  16. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    MUNDAY, WYNTON SCOTT
    Flying Officer
    40637
    15 O T U
    17/10/1940

     
  17. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    REED, ROBERT JAMES Flight Lieutenant 40059 50sq RAF 10/09/1940
    I would see the cemetery and disregard him. Was there anything BoB before this?
     
  18. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    ROBSON, ANGUS (DFC) Pilot Officer 41471 144sq RAF 22/08/1940
     
  19. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    ROSS, ELLIS HENRY (DFC) Flying Officer 40060 83sq RAF 13/08/1940
    He is listed here:

    junkers | 1940 | 1665 | Flight Archive

     
  20. spidge

    spidge Active Member

    SCOTT, ERIC WILLIAM STANTON Pilot Officer 40852 616sq RAF 4/06/1940
    http://www.thesoutheastecho.co.uk/Graves/GraveSCOTT.jpg

    Royal Air Force Officers 1939-1945 -- S

    Some info here - Will have to join!

    http://www.authpro.com/cgi-bin/auth.fcgi?user=rafweb
     

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