Who is this man and where did he come from ?

Discussion in 'World War 1' started by Michel Knockaert, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. polldollagain

    polldollagain New Member

    I'll type it in word and copy and paste ... Will get back to ya ...

    Heres the 40th
    40th Div : Maj Gen J Ponsonby


    Battle of Estaires 9-11 4 /1918 XV CORPS First ARMY
    Battle Hazebrouck 12-13 /4 1918 XV CORPS Second ARMY


    119TH BRIGADE BRIGADIER F P CROZIER

    13TH WANDSWORTH EAST SURREYS
    21ST (ISLINGTON ) MIDDLESEX
    18TH ( 2ND GLAMORGAN PALS) WELSH


    120TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN C J HOBKIRK

    10/11TH HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
    14TH ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIHLANDERS
    2NDROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
    14TH HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY

    121ST BRIGADE BRIG GEN J CAMPBELL
    12TH EAST ANGLIAN ( SUFFOLKS)
    20TH SHOREDITCH ( MIDDLESEX)
    13TH YORKSHIRES

    Pioneers: 12th YORKSHIRES (Tees side Pioneers)

    I 'll just go and do the 55th

    here you go ..
    55th Division ( WEST LANCASHIRE) MAJ GEN H S JEUDWINE

    BATTLE OF ESTAIRES 9-11/4/1918 –(XI CORPS FIRST ARMY)
    BATTLE OF HAZEBROUCK 12-15/ 4 1918 ( I CORPS FIRST ARMY )

    164th North Lancashire- Brigade Brig. Gen. C. I. STOCKWELL

    1/4TH KINGS OWN
    1/4TH LOYAL NORTH LANCASHIRES
    2/5TH LANCASHIRE FUSILIERS

    165TH ( LIVERPOOL) BRIGADE; Brig Gen L B BOYD-MOSS
    1/5TH KING’S
    1/6TH S( LEEDS RIFLES) KING’S
    1/7TH KING’S

    166TH (SOUTH LANCASHIRE ) BRIGADE Brig Gen R J KENTISH
    1/5TH KING’S OWN
    1/5TH SOUTH LANCASHIRES
    1/10TH( LIVERPOOL SCOTTISH) KING’S
    Pioneers 1/4th SOUTH LANCASHIRES
    on reflection the order of battle for the Battles of the Lys are 5 pages long !! ERM ... Maybe not
     
  2. Antipodean Andy

    Antipodean Andy New Member

    Hi Poll, I'm not aware of there being any way to avoid the time out other than what you've done in your next post - cut and paste. However, looking at what you typed, you can't have had that long before you were timed out (or are you reeeally slow at typing? :D).

    I'll get back to you.
     
  3. polldollagain

    polldollagain New Member

    Well It does include s the time I took to find it in my Ypres Book...and make a cup of coffee to help stay awake !!
     
  4. liverpool annie

    liverpool annie New Member

    :D:D:D:D

    Trust you !!!!!!!!!!!
     
  5. polldollagain

    polldollagain New Member

    When I look at the Order of Battle it would probably be quicker to name the regiments that were not in the area at that time.. Would it help to just list the Divisions that were there ? I 'm happy to do a copy tomprrow and people can obtain it from me via email ...dont want to infringe any copyright laws by posting a copy on here ..
    Poll
     
  6. liverpool annie

    liverpool annie New Member

    Well .... give yourself a rest and drink your coffee !! ;) and lets see what we can find on the ones you've already given us !!

    Thanks for doing that though Poll !! :)
     
  7. polldollagain

    polldollagain New Member

    If I use the scanner now I'll wake up OH !! so I'll do it tomorrow...there is just too much for me to type ... now if it was a photo needing to be restored .... i 'd have the patience of a Saint !lol
     
  8. polldollagain

    polldollagain New Member

    Start of Order of battle ...


    Battles of the LYS 4TH YPRES APRIL 1918



    2nd Cavalry Div Regular Brig Gen T T PITMAN
    Battle of Hazebrouck14-15 /4/1918( Cav CORPS Second Army

    3rd Cavalry Brigade Brig Gen J A BELL- SMITH
    4TH QUEENS OWN HUSSARS
    16TH (QUEENS ) LANCERS
    5TH ROYAL IRISH LANCERS

    4TH Cav Brgde Brig Gen C H RANKIN
    6TH DRAGOON GUARDS
    1ST QUEENS OWN OXFORDSHIRE HUSSARS
    3RD KINGS OWN HUSSARS

    5TH Cavalry Brigade Brig Gen N W HAIG
    2ND DRAGOON ROYAL SCOTS GREYS
    20TH HUSSARS
    12 (PRINCE OF WALES) ROYAL LANCERS

    1ST DIV (reg) MAJOR GEN EP STRICKLAND
    Battles Estaires 9-11 April,(I Corps First army ;
    Hazebrouck-15thApril (3RD BRIGADE WITH 55TH DIVISION (XI CORPS FIRST ARMY)
    AND Bethune 18-19th April 1918 ( I CORPS First Army.

    1ST BRIGADE Brig Gen W D THORNTON
    1ST BLACK WATCH
    1ST CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
    1ST LOYAL NORTH LANCASHRES

    2ND BRIGADE Brig Gen G C KELLY
    2ND ROYAL SUSSEX
    2ND KINGS ROYAL RIFLE CORPS
    1ST NORTHAMPTONS

    3RD BRIGADE BRIG GEN H H S MORANT
    1ST SOUTH WALES BORDERES
    2ND WELSH
    1ST GLOUCESTERS
    Pioneers 6th WELSH

    3RD DIV (REG) MAJ GEN C J DEVERELL
    Battles Estaires 9-11 April,(I Corps First Army ;
    Hazebrouck 12-15th April
    Bethune 18 April

    8th BRIGADE BRIG GEN L A E PRICE-DAVIES V C to 12th April
    BRIG GEN B D FISHER
    2ND ROYAL SCOTS
    1ST ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
    7TH KINGS SHROPSHIRE LIGHT INFANTRY

    9TH BRIGADE, BRIG GEN H C POTTER
    1st NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS
    13TH KINGS
    4TH ROYAL FUSILIERS

    76TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN C L PORTER
    2ND SUFFOLKS
    8TH KINGS OWN
    1ST GORDON HIGHLANDERS
    PIONEERS 20TH KINGS ROYAL RIFLE CORPS


    4TH DIV REG) MAJ GEN T G MATHESON
    Battles of Hazebrouch 13-15 April
    Battle of Bethune 18 th April ,(I Corps First Army)

    10Th BRIGADE BRIG GEN H W GREEN TO 16TH APRIL
    BRIG GEN J GREENE
    1ST ROYAL WARWICKSHIRES
    2nd SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS
    2ND DUKE OF WELLINGTONS

    11TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN T S H WADE
    1ST SOMERSET LIGHT INFANTRY
    1ST HAMPSHIRES
    1ST RIFLE BRIGADE

    12TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN E A FAGAN
    1ST KINGS OWN
    2ND ESSEX
    2ND LANCASHIRE FUSILIERS
    PIONEERS 21ST (WOOL TEXTILE PIONEERS )WEST YORKSHIRES


    5TH DIVISION (REGULAR) MAJ GEN R B STEVENS
    Battle of Hazebrouch 12-15 April

    13TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN L O W JONES
    2ND KING’S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS
    1ST ROYAL WEST KENTS
    14TH ( 1ST BIRMINGHAM PALS ) ROYAL WARWICKSHIRES
    15TH ( 2ND BIRMINGHAM PALS ) ROYAL WARWICKSHIRES

    15TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN R D F OLDMAN
    1ST NORFOLKS
    1ST CHESHIRES
    1ST BEDFORDSHIRES
    16TH ( 3RD BIRMINGHAM PALS ) ROYAL WARWICKSHIRES )

    95 BRIGADE BRIG GEN LORD E C GORDON-LENNOX
    1ST DEVONSHIRES
    1ST DUKE OF CORNWALL’S LIGHT INFANTRY
    1ST EAST SURREYS
    12TH ( BRISTOL PALS) GLOUCESTERS
    PIONEERS 1/6 (RENFREWSHIRE )ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS

    6th DIVISION ( REGULAR) MAJOR GENERAL T. O. MARDEN
    Battle of Bailleul 13 -15 April
    1ST Battle Kemmel 17 -19 April
    2nd Battle Kemmel 25-26 April
    Battle of Scherpenberg 29 April

    16TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN h a walker
    1st BUFFS
    2nd YORK AND LANCASTERS
    1ST KING’S SHROPSHIRE LIGHT INFANTRY

    18TH BRIGADE BRIG GEN G S G CRAUFURD
    1ST WEST YORKSHIRES
    11TH ESSEX
    2ND DURHAM LIGHT INFANTRY

    71ST BRIGADE BRIG GEN PW BROWN
    1ST LEICESTERS
    9TH NORFOLKS
    2ND SHERWOOD FORRESTERS
    PIONEERS ( 11TH LEICESTERS ( City of Leicester Pals )


    WILL ADD MORE LATER ...
     
  9. liverpool annie

    liverpool annie New Member

    You're a brick Poll ... thank you !

    Good night ! :):)
     
  10. polldollagain

    polldollagain New Member

    You're welcome Annie .. I shall just keep adding the info on the post that I have started by editing it and notify you when it is completed .. I have added more today for you ..
    Poll
     
  11. spof

    spof New Member

    Poll

    Thank You so much for your work.I now know what diaries to look for at Kew. :)

    I'll be looking for the 12th Lancers and the Suffolk regiment first followed by the 1st and 3rd divisions (Did I spy a Northants regiment in there? :p) given the suspected dates mentioned earlier in the thread.

    I'll let you know what I find.

    Glen
     
  12. polldollagain

    polldollagain New Member

    When are you hoping to go Glen .... you may need to take a sleeping bag and a flask ... ;)
     
  13. liverpool annie

    liverpool annie New Member

    I got all excited ... then realised this is the wrong battalion !!!!!!!! :p

    Royal Bavarian 5th Infantry

    http://www.kb5ir.de/E_WW1.htm

    ( May as well post it in case it can help somebody else ! )
     
  14. spof

    spof New Member

    And a cut lunch as well as a cut dinner :p

    I'll be going tomorrow. Thanks to your work, I've got tha catalogue references so I'll hopefully find something interesting

    I've also got hold of the official history of British military operations between 27th March and 30th April AND IT'S NEARLY 2 INCHES THICK for just one month :eek: It does also include the French Order of Battle (to division level) so perhaps there'll be some high level communications between them to help build up a fuller picture of the situation.

    Glen
     
  15. liverpool annie

    liverpool annie New Member

    You're a good man Gunga Din !! :D

    Thank you very much ..... hope you find something ... fingers crossed !

    Annie :)
     
  16. scrimnet

    scrimnet New Member

    From my "1915 Pocket Edition" of Kiplings Barrack Room Ballads...

    And for those unfamiliar....

    You may talk o' gin and beer
    When you're quartered safe out 'ere,
    An' you're sent to penny-fights an' Aldershot it;
    But when it comes to slaughter
    You will do your work on water,
    An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it.
    Now in Injia's sunny clime,
    Where I used to spend my time
    A-servin' of 'Er Majesty the Queen,
    Of all them blackfaced crew
    The finest man I knew
    Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din.
    He was "Din! Din! Din!
    "You limpin' lump o' brick-dust, Gunga Din!
    "Hi! Slippy hitherao!
    "Water, get it! Panee lao
    "You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din."

    The uniform 'e wore
    Was nothin' much before,
    An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind,
    For a piece o' twisty rag
    An' a goatskin water-bag
    Was all the field-equipment 'e could find.
    When the sweatin' troop-train lay
    In a sidin' through the day,
    Where the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyebrows crawl,
    We shouted " Harry By!"
    Till our throats were bricky-dry,
    Then we wopped 'im 'cause 'e couldn't serve us all.
    It was "Din! Din! Din!
    "You 'eathen, where the mischief 'ave you been?
    "You put some juldee in it
    "Or I'll marrow you this minute
    "If you don't fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!"

    'E would dot an' carry one
    Till the longest day was done;
    An' 'e didn't seem to know the use o' fear.
    If we charged or broke or cut,
    You could bet your bloomin' nut,
    'E'd be waitin' fifty paces right flank rear.
    With 'is mussick' on 'is back,
    'E would skip with our attack,
    An' watch us till the bugles made "Retire,"
    An' for all 'is dirty 'ide
    'E was white, clear white, inside
    When 'e went to tend the wounded under fire!
    It was "Din! Din! Din!"
    With the bullets kickin' dust-spots on the green
    When the cartridges ran out,
    You could hear the front-ranks shout,
    "Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!"

    I sha'n't forgit the night
    When I dropped be'ind the fight
    With a bullet where my belt-plate should 'a' been.
    I was chokin' mad with thirst,
    An' the man that spied me first
    Was our good old grinnin', gruntin' Gunga Din.
    'E lifted up my 'ead,
    An' he plugged me where I bled, An' 'e guv me 'arf-a-pint o' water green.
    It was crawlin' and it stunk,
    But of all the drinks I've drunk,
    I'm gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.
    It was "Din! Din! Din!
    "'Ere's a beggar with a bullet through 'is spleen"
    "'E's chawin' up the ground,
    "An' 'e's kickin' all around:
    "For Gawd's sake git the water, Gunga Din!

    'E carried me away
    To where a dooli lay,
    An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.
    'E put me safe inside,
    An' just before 'e died,
    "I 'ope you liked your drink" sez Gunga Din.
    So I'll meet 'im later on
    At the place where 'e is gone
    Where it's always double drill and no canteen.
    'E'll be squattin' on the coals
    Givin' drink to poor damned souls,
    An' I'll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
    Yes, Din! Din! Din!
    You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
    Though I've belted you and flayed you,
    By the livin' Gawd that made you,
    You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!



    bhisti - water-carrier
    hitherao - come here
    panee lao - bring water
    Harry By - Brother
    juldee - quickly
    marrow - hit
     
  17. scrimnet

    scrimnet New Member

    oops...double post!
     
  18. spof

    spof New Member

    Scrim

    I was one of the unfamiliar so thanks for that.

    And I'd always thought I was called that as a nickname because my name started with 'G'
     
  19. liverpool annie

    liverpool annie New Member

    I had to recite that as a kid .... my Dad loved that poem !!!!!!!! ;)

    Had to stand in the middle of the living room floor and do it right !! and woe betide you if you messed up !! :D:D

    Annie :)
     
  20. liverpool annie

    liverpool annie New Member

    I found this ... and I think theres some information we could use here ... except I can't read it !!!!!! :rolleyes:

    http://www.deutschland14-18.de/

    We need a German speaking person to help us !

    Annie :)
     

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